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 COUNTRY: RUSSIA
 SUBJ:    TAKE 1 OF 2--LEGAL OFFICIAL ON DEFENSE, SECURITY ISSUES
 SOURCE:  MOSCOW ARGUMENTY I PARTY IN RUSSIAN NO 18, NAY 92 PP 1, 2
 TEXT:
 //((INTERVIEW WITH A. HOTENKOV, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE DEPARTMENT OF
 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF TEE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA IN CHARGE OF QUESTIONS
 OF SECURITY AND DEFENSE, BY ARGUMENT! I FART! CORRESPONDENT A.
 UGLANOV; PLACE AND DATE NOT GIVEN: "ON THE THIRD STRATEGIC LINE"))
 ((TEXT))  ((BEGIN SOLD))A DECREE ON THE CREATION OF A RUSSIAN
 ARMY HAS JUST BEEN SIGNED. BUT IT WILL BE SOME TIME YET BEFORE ALL
 SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS MARCH UNDER NEW BANNERS AND, PERHAPS, CHANGE
 UNIFORM. MEANWHILE THE ARMY LIVES IN THE PRESENT. OUR CORRESPONDENT
 A. UGLANOV MET WITH A. HOTENHOV, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THS' DEPARTMENT OF
 CONSTITUTIONAL LAW OF THE PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA IN CHARGE OF QUESTIONS
 OF SECURITY AND DEFENSE. ((END BOLD))
 ((UGLANOV)) ARE YOU AWARE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEGUN TO
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 DISPLAY CONCERN IN CONNECTION WITH THE REDEPLOYMENT OF FORCES FROM
 GERMANY TOWARD THEIR BORDERS?
 ((KOTENKOV)) UNTIL RECENTLY OUR DEFENSE WAS DEPLOYED FULLY
 WESTWARD AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN ECHELONMENT IN DEPTH. THE FIRST
 ATTACK ECHELON WAS DEPLOYED IN THE GDR, POLAND, CZECHOSLOVAKIA, AND
 HUNGARY. IT HAS NOW PRACTICALLY DISAPPEARED. THIS WAS FOLLOWED BY
 THE SECOND ATTACK ECHELON. THIS WAS THE BALTIC, BYELARUS, AND
 UKRAINE. IT ALSO, AS IS KNOWN, IS BEING WOUND DOWN. THE THIRD WAS ON
 THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA AND WAS HELD IN RESERVE. IT WAS CONTEMPLATED
 DEPLOYING IT IN A PERIOD OF THE THREAT OF OR IN THE EVENT OF THE
 COMMENCEMENT. OF WAR. WE ARE NOT YET IN A POSITION TO RECOGNIZE THAT
 THE BORDER SHOULD BE LIQUIDATED. AND IT IS PERFECTLY NATURAL THAT
 THE FORCES WHICH ARE BEING WITHDRAWN ARE BEING DEPLOYED EVENLY
 THROUGHOUT THE TERRITORY OF THE EUROPEAN PART OF RUSSIA, STARTING
 FROM THE KOLA PENINSULA.
 ((UGLANOV)) IN CONNECTION WITH THE FACT THAT THE CAUCASUS HAS
 BECOME AN EXPLOSIVE REGION FOR RUSSIA, IS SOME ARMED BARRIER ON THE
 BORDER OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF RUSSIA AND THE CAUCASUS BEING FORMED?
 ((KOTENKOV)) UNDOUBTEDLY. IT IS NOT A QUESTION, -OPCOURSE, OF THE
 PURPOSIVE CREATION OF SOME MILITARIZED BARRIER, AS YOU PUT IT. THE
 FORCES BEING WITHDRAWN FROM THE WEST ARE BEING DEPLOYED MORE OR LESS
 EVENLY FROM THE KOLA PENINSULA TO NORTH CAUCASUS. IT IS, THEREFOR,
 PERFECTLY NATURAL THAT NEWCOMER UNITS WILL BE DEPLOYED IN STAVROPOL,
 KRASNODAR KRAY, AND ROSTOV OBLAST.
 POINT TWO: IT IS A FACT THAT THE SITUATION IN THE TRANSCAUCASUS
 IS NOT IMPROVING IN THE LEAST. THE FORCES (UNDER RUSSIA'S
 ---JURrSDICTION)--aTATIONED                                 -POSITION: ---   ----
 ATTEMPTS TO CAPTURE EQUIPMENT AND ARMS AND ATTACKS ON THE ARMY UNITS
 CONTINUE. OUR PEOPLE ARE DYING. AN OFFICER OF OURS DIED QUITE
 RECENTLY IN TBILISI, AS A RESULT OF WHICH THERE WAS QUITE SERIOUS
 UNREST AMONG THE STUDENTS OF AN ACADEMY, OF WHICH HE WAS A GRADUATE.
 THE QUESTION IS: UNLESS THE UNLAWFUL ACTIONS AGAINST OUR FORCES IN
 THE TRANSCAUCASUS CEASE, IT WILL, MOST LIKELY, BE NECESSARY TO
 WITHDRAW THEM. NOT TO SIBERIA OR THE FAR EAST, NATURALLY. THE
 ASSIGNMENTS CONFRONTING THEM WOULD BE THE SAME. THE FORCES WOULD
 REMAIN IN THE VICINITY OF THE CAUCASUS.
 ((UGLANOV)) WHEN, ACCORDING TO YOUR FORECASTS, WILL THE BORDER
 FORCES FROM OTHER REPUBLICS BE TRANSFERRED TO THE BORDERS BETWEEN
 THEM AND RUSSIA?
 ((KOTENEOV)) I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFY IMMEDIATELY THAT WE ARE NOT
 INTERESTED IN RUSSIA HAVING FULL-SCALE, ARMY-PROTECTED BORDERS ON
 OUR TERRITORY. IT SHOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN THAT PRACTICALLY ONE-THIRD
 OF THE RUSSIAN POPULATION LIVES IN THESE REPUBLICS, AND DRAWING
 BORDERS BETWEEN US IS, AT THE LEAST, IMMORAL. AND ECONOMICALLY
 DISADVANTAGEOUS BESIDES. BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE ARE LOSING
 HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF RUBLES ON ACCOUNT OF THE FACT THAT WE LACK
 FULL-FLEDGED BORDERS.
 SO WE ARE CURRENTLY CONFRONTED WITH FOUR TASKS. FIRST, THE
 IMMEDIATE ESTABLISHMENT OF FULL-SCALE BORDERS, GUARDED BY TROOPS AND
 WITH CUSTOMS POSTS AND VISA CONTROL, WITH THE BALTIC STATES. IT IS
 THE ABSENCE OF SUCH BORDERS WHICH IS CAUSING US THE GREATEST
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 ECONOMIC HARM. IT IS BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE BORDERS HERE
 THAT WHAT WE COULD OURSELVES BE SELLING OVERSEAS AT WORLD PRICES,
 THE BALTS ARE SELLING. AND OBTAINING COLOSSAL PROFIT HERE, AND WE
 ARE LOSING OUT.
 THE SECOND TASK: A SOLUTION OF THE QUESTION WITH THE STATES WHICH
 HAVE DECIDED ON THE CREATION OF THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES. THESE ARE
 PRIMARILY UKRAINE, AZERBAIJAN, AND MOLDOVA. THEY DO NOT GUARANTEE
 OBSERVANCE OF COMMON BORDER PRACTICES. AZERBAIJAN, FOR INSTANCE, HAS
 ESTABLISHED SIMPLIFIED PASSAGE ACROSS THE BORDER WITH IRAN AND
 TURKEY. MOLDOVA HAS ESTABLISHED THE SAME CONDITIONS WITH ROMANIA. AS
 A RESULT THE CITIZENS OF THESE STATES CAN GET TO THE TERRITORY OF
 AZERBAIJAN AND HOLDOVA FREELY, WITHOUT ANY PARTICULAR DIFFICULTY.
 GIVEN THE COMPLETE ABSENCE OF BORDERS WITH US, THEY ARE MOVING
 FURTHER AND DOING AS THEY PLEASE. WE ALREADY HAVE EXAMPLES OF
 CITIZENS OF IRAN AND TURKEY HAVING MOVED FREELY AEOUND THE TERRITORY
 OF THE FORMER USSR AND, TO OUR GREAT REGRET, NOT ALWAYS WITH
 PEACEFUL PURPOSES. UNLESS THESE STATES CAN GUARANTEE OBSERVANCE OF A
 COMMON BORDER REGIME, WE MUST DECIDE THE QUESTION OF ITS CLOSURE.
 THE THIRD TASK IS RELATIONS WITH THE STATES WHICH. ARE FORMING
 THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES, BUT WHICH AGREE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A
 COMMON BORDERS REGIME. THESE ARE BYELARUS AND UZBEKISTAN. WE HAVE
 GOOD ENOUGH RELATIONS WITH THEM, AND, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY ARE
 PREPARED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF SOME COMMON COORDINATING BODY TO
 ESTABLISH AND OBSERVE A SINGLE EXTERNAL BORDER REGIME.
 AND, FINALLY, THE FOURTH TASK--OUR RELATIONS WITH STATES NOT
 FORMING THEIR OWN BORDER FORCES. THESE ARE AT THE PRESENT TIME
 ARMENIA, KAZAKHSTAN, KYRGYZSTAN, TAJIKISTAN, AND TURKMENISTAN.
 ((UGLANOV)) RAVE TACTICAL--_-AND'
 WITHDRAWN FROM THE TRANSCAUCASUS? I HAVE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE
 ((KOTENKOV)) NO, THESE WEAPONS WERE WITHDRAWN FROM THERE LONG
 AGO, LAST YEAR. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION BUT THAT THEY WERE THERE.
 ((UGLANOV)) YOU ARE AWARE, OF COURSE, THAT IN CRIMEA GENERAL
 KUZNETSOV, WHO DISAGREES WITH HIS DISMISSAL, HAS DECLARED A HUNGER
 STRIKE.
 /****** BEGINNING OF TAKE 002 ******/
 REF:     924C1462A MOSCOW ARGUMENTY I FAKTY IN RUSSIAN NO 18, MAY 92
 PP 1, 2 ///A HUNGER STRIKE.
 SOURCE: MOSCOW ARGLMENTY I FARTY IN RUSSIAN NO 18, MAY 92 PP 1, 2
 TEXT:
 ((KOTENKOV)) WE SIMPLY RAVE NO INFLUENCE HERE, UNFORTUNATELY.
 ONLY BY WAY OF NEGOTIATIONS. BUT FROM THE PURELY HUMAN STANDPOINT
 GENERAL KUZNETSOV'S BEHAVIOR CAN ONLY BE WELCOMED. WE HAVE
 INFORMATION THAT THE QUESTION: "ARE YOU PREPARED TO FIGHT RUSSIA?"
 IS STANDARD AT THE TIME OF OFFICER CERTIFICATION IN UKRAINE.
 ((UGLANOV)) AND IS THIS QUESTION BEING PUT TO RUSSIAN OFFICERS?
 ((KOTENKOV)) THIS IS PRECISELY THE POINT, AFTER ALL, KUZNETSOV IS
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 A RUSSIAN OFFICER. IT IS A PROVOCATIVE QUESTION. BUT SUCH ACTIONS
 ARE NOT ONLY BEING ADDRESSED TO SPECIFIC PERSONS. THE ORGAN OF THE
 UKRAINIAN NATIONAL ASSEMBLY, UKRAINSKI OBRII, WRITES AS FOLLOWS
 ABOUT THE ROLE OF TILE ANDREYEV FLAG, WHICH IS SACRED FOR THE RUSSIAN
 SAILOR: "FOR 200 YEARS THE ANDREYEV FLAG COVERED UP THE ROTTENNESS
 OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE. NOW THEY WANT IT TO COVER UP THE CRETINISM OF
 THE CIS. ENOUGH!"
 BUT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE UKRAINIAN
 PEOPLE ARE CAPABLE OF ADOPTING A HOSTILE ATTITUDE TOWARD RUSSIA. WE
 MAY SPEAK, THEREFORE, OF A WHOLLY NEGLIGIBLE, RECKLESS GROUP OF
 UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS, CHIEFLY OF A WESTERN UKRAINIAN PERSUASION.
 AND UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE IN THE PRESENT
 POLICY COURSE, I. BELIEVE THAT BIG INTERNAL UPHEAVALS AWAIT UKRAINE.
 ((UGLANOV)),ARE CONSCRIPTS BEING DRAFTED FOR RUSSIA FROM OTHER
 REPUBLICS?
 ((KOTENKOV)) NOT AS YET. ALTHOUGH AT THE RECENT COUNCIL OF
 DEFENSE MINISTERS ON 28-29 APRIL, WHICH WAS HELD IN MOSCOW, IT WAS A
 QUESTION OF A NUMBER OF CIS STATES BEING PREPARED TO MAKE THEIR
 CONSCRIPTS AVAILABLE FOR SERVICE IN THE CIS JOINT ARMED FORCES, ON
 THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA INCLUDED.
 ((UGLANOV)) WILL COSSACK UNITS BE FORMED IN THE SPHERE OF THE DON
 ARMY?
 ((KOTENKOV)). THERE IS NO FULLY FINISHED CONCEPT OF TILE
 ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES AS YET. A
 STRUGGLE OF IDEAS IS UNDER WAY, AND I WOULD NOT CARE TO DWELL ON.
 THIS. BUT SUCH AN ASPECT OF MILITARY ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS
 POSSIBLE. IT COULD BE A QUESTION OF PROFESSIONAL RESERVES. WITHIN
 -OF-SUCH-A-             RESERVE I WHOLLY ALLOW OF THE
 POSSIBILITY OF THE EXISTENCE OF COSSACK UNITS. WITH THE OBSERVANCE
 OF COSSACK TRADITIONS, SOLE RESPONSIBILITY, FIRM DISCIPLINE AND,
 POSSIBLY, PAID SERVICE. SUCH A VERSION IS POSSIBLE.
 ((UGLANOV)) AND, FINALLY, RUMORS, PERHAPS, HAVE REACHED ME TO THE
 EFFECT THAT UP UNTIL RECENTLY A NUMBER OF TOP SCIENTISTS HAD BEEN
 ENLISTED IN A STUDY OF UFO'S AT THE DISPOSAL OF THE MINISTRY OF
 DEFENSE. I AM TALKING ABOUT SOME FRAGMENTS OR WHOLE "ARTICLES,"
 WHICH ARE BEING KEPT SECRET IN HANGARS AND UNDERGOING TESTS.
 ((KOTENKOV)) WORK IS BEING PERFORMED ON THE GLOBAL MONITORING OF
 SPACE AND THE AIR SPACE ON THE TERRITORY OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION.
 ALL UNIDENTIFIED FLYING-OBJECTS ARE RECORDED. ANY OBJECT ENTERING
 THE FIELD OF VISION OF OUR EARLY WARNING. STATIONS IS, OF COURSE,
 MONITORED. BUT I RAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OBJECTS BEING STORED AND
 STUDIED ANYWHERE.
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